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What’s wrong with the Voice? Well, everything!

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Reader ANTHONY HORDERN has shared years of intimate experience with indigenous people and sees no prospect of the Voice helping anyone beyond its own bureaucracy. 

I AM likely the only person in Canberra today to have seen one of the last tribal Aboriginal corroborees at Mataranka in 1957 and to have met the last band of nomadic hunter-gatherers in the Great Victoria Desert in 1963. 

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I have full-blooded Aboriginal social friends in Katherine, I know indigenous people enabled by their education to become successful businessmen and have visited dozens of settlements and town camps all over the north.

I have smelt petrol fumes from soft-drink cans hung around the necks of teenagers in Borroloola’s main street, seen the trashed homes, workshops and theatre at Coonana and the burnt homes at Cundeelee on the Nullarbor. 

I’ve seen the trashed and abandoned “out camps” at Nyinmi near Jupiter Well and Mungilli in the Gibson Desert and observed indigenous people drinking on hotel verandahs at 10am, doing nothing for their health or family budgets.

I have enjoyed a barramundi “hongi” prepared by my friend Sam in Katherine and visited the well-run clan settlement of Peppimenarti where the Moyle River runs on the road to Wadeye (Port Keats).

These experiences, some no longer existing, give me a unique insight into indigenous lives.

Past and present councils

Indigenous people are represented by two major councils, established by the Commonwealth for decades, the Closing the Gap Commission and the Council of Peaks (representing dozens of local and regional Aboriginal Councils), and by dozens of Aboriginal Community Councils (similar to municipal councils) and by scores of Aboriginal health, welfare, housing and legal services. 

Many regional towns have two or three shopfronts of each of those services. The eight Australian states and territories each have ministers and departments of Aboriginal affairs, staffed by thousands of people.

But none of these taxpayer-funded bodies have been able to produce worthwhile results. Indigenous people continue to suffer adverse education, skills, health, welfare, housing and legal outcomes.

Between 1973 and 2005 Parliament established four national Aboriginal advisory councils; all were abolished through bi-partisan resolutions of parliament for failing to produce any outcomes and for nepotism, fraud and embezzlement.

A prominent scientist once said “It is the height of foolishness to do the same thing over and over again, hoping for a different outcome”.

Nonetheless in 2021 Voice activists proposed a significantly expanded version of ATSIC, creating mechanisms (further committees) for individuals to pass ideas to about 25 or 35 “elected” regional groups, which in turn would advise the “elected” Voice council, which in turn would advise Parliament.

PM Anthony Albanese has accepted this idea with alacrity. Has he not examined the past? 

On the basis of “race” there is a demonstrated need for a Chinese “Voice”, as many more respondents to the 2021 Census indicated they spoke Mandarin than identified in increased numbers as “indigenous”. And maybe even Greek, Italian and Indian “Voices” too!

Activists propose a 22 member Voice council of 10 men and 10 women plus male and female co-chairs. Based on ATSIC’s seven council members’ salaries ($240,000 to $270,000 annually in 2005), inflation alone brings that to more than $6.45 million in 2023. Adding the “Voice” to the 25 to 35 regional groups, there will be hundreds, possibly thousands, of employees enjoying generous government working conditions, together with office accommodation and travel costing billions every year. 

A much smaller ATSIC in its last years had a budget of about $1.1 billion, producing NO worthwhile outcomes for Aboriginal people, leading to its abolition.

Why most Australians don’t know

Australia is a nation of urbanites in five major cities around the coast who don’t know or interact with any indigenous people. Most have never been to remote settlements and have no idea how residents are kept on welfare there, housed, fed, clothed and medicated, but with nothing to do all day. 

It’s here the devil makes work for idle hands to do. As leader and former Labor party president Warren Mundine has observed, all over the world people on generational welfare, without the dignity of self-supporting employment, fall into violence, sexual abuse, drug and alcohol abuse and vandalism. 

The indigenous hunter-gatherer bands had developed skills that allowed them to survive for thousands of years in one of the harshest environments on earth. 

All those skills have been lost since I last observed them in 1953, and no indigenous person today would want to return to that precarious lifestyle without shelter, transport, assured food supply or medical treatment. 

What’s the way forward? 

The only way for Aboriginals and indigenous people to advance from the welfare and indolence trap is to follow the footsteps of the likes of the indigenous parliamentarians, Warren Mundine, Ernie Dingo, the late Burnum Burnum and the late David Unaipon, getting an education so they can have the dignity of supporting themselves and their families.

None of the Aboriginals I know, while occasionally hunting or fishing for pleasure, have any desire to return to a “traditional” way of life. 

None of the indigenous activist city dwellers would be able to cope with that lifestyle, any more than white urbanites. Mr Albanese must spend the billions of Aboriginal budget on schooling and independent skills training, not more boondoggles for an indigenous elite.

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21 Responses to What’s wrong with the Voice? Well, everything!

David says: 10 August 2023 at 7:00 am

Well written and nice so see acknowledgment for what the indigenous people achieved. They lived in a very harsh environment that was dominated by a constant need to keep moving and finding food. An amazing skill when you consider the land they roamed had no farmable animals. The latest settlers never even attempted such survival and arrived with their own farmable animals. It also highlights the latest settlers are not an wholly unwanted invasion as without their arrival the indigenous would not all the technology they now desire and enjoy. You cannot have one without the other and where you take you need to give. Unfortunately with all the good things technology brings you also get all the bad things including generational welfare. We don’t want generational welfare in any society so nothing done for the indigenous population should actively support this occurring.

The government should be embarrassed by the claim the statement is a one page document. Is it that their understanding so limited they can produce only one page or are they only prepared to show one page so people wont to see the real details. This is a huge problem affecting many lives and its insulting to think it only warrants one page and the Australian people should be expected to make a huge decision with only one page of detail. No wonder the government cannot provide any answers to the mounting unanswered questions. If all they got given is one page then they should have gone, how can we possibly expect the Australian people to go to a referendum on only one page of detail.

If you get into a group conversation that includes someone on the Yes side then there is no conversation as anyone asking questions is labelled a racist. If you have people on the fence or No supporters then you actually get a conversation. What comes out is, its not about recognition because that is what 2008 was about. If people believe it is still about recognition then we were lied to about 2008 and no reason to believe we are not being lied to now. It’s not about influence or a voice to parliament. There is already enough influence to redirect millions and millions of dollars to a referendum which could have been used to help the disadvantage indigenous population, without any Constitutional change. No wonder more and more people are asking, what is this about?

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David says: 10 August 2023 at 4:11 pm

I think we’re missing a huge opportunity to save time, money and protect the environment. If its possible to spend millions of dollars and look at changing the constitution based on a single page (473 words) then we should extend this idea to other areas. A referendum on the one page wonder. Image how much we could save if courts and royal commissions etc were instructed to produce judgements/reports that had to fit within one page/473 words. I can’t image anything these groups are redoing is more important than the Voice referendum so they shouldn’t need more than one page. They could stick it on the same form as the Voice vote and may get more Yes votes by people voting Yes for the wrong one.

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Vasily says: 11 August 2023 at 10:50 am

When the Aboriginal heritage laws in one state – namely, WA – are walked back because they were a disaster, and yet the whole nation pushes forward with the Voice, what we’re being asked to believe is that Aboriginal rights in one state can’t work, but will magically be amazing in all states and territories.

In short, if the Voice gets up, it’ll be several times worse for the nation than what the disaster was for WA.

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David says: 15 August 2023 at 7:13 pm

The W A experience is exactly why the voice should be legislation and not in the constitution

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Minger says: 16 August 2023 at 6:41 pm

@David
The detail of the Voice (composition, functions, powers and procedures) will be in the legislation.
Its inclusion in the Constitution simply underpins the legislation – in exactly the same way S51 of the Constitution currently underpins the legislative powers of the Parliament.
Perhaps you should actually read the proposed wording – then you might be able to comment on reality rather than your jaded perception.

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Minger says: 16 August 2023 at 6:44 pm

@Vasily
You do understand that like the WA legislation, the detail of the Voice will be in the legislation – not the Constitution? Sheesh – talk about comparing apples to onions!

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David says: 11 August 2023 at 1:51 pm

Hmm, if its up to the parliament then a Constitutional change is not needed so that is misleading. It is misleading to say the parliament will decide because that would mean each successive parliament could redecide how it will work. I haven’t seen anyone say that when the LNP gets back in they are happy if the LNP change the way the Voice works. Using beginning is also very misleading, beginning of what? Not recognition as for the majority of us, if you are old enough to remember, had a massive step forward in 2008. Not the beginning of providing positive discrimination to help disadvantaged indigenous people as this started a long time ago and has been through many iterations. Not the beginning of closing the gap as this started the day the most recent settlers arrived.

Might also be useful to educate yourself on Brexit. Example of a country that voted for something by just saying Yes and leaving it up to the parliament. If you ran the same vote now you would probably find it would be a No. Also ask them how the control of their borders is going and the NHS. Plus the parliamentarians deciding on Brexit are a long shot from the ones around when they were casting their votes.

When someone says, just say Yes and we’ll work the details out later, you can almost guarantee you’re being misled. Lots of people want to vote Yes based on 2008. they just don’t like being treated like idiots and being told that they don’t deserve to see the details up front. Plus being told the apology and everything else that has been done is meaningless because we are apparently at the beginning.

When you say parliament you have to consider everyone in parliament. I take it you are happy with the current cost of living, cost of housing and the way covid was handled. Let’s just leave it to the same people, no questions asked.

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Eric Hunter says: 11 August 2023 at 2:45 pm

I’m sorry, but Janet’s is the only one of the five comment panels that, to me, shows any real understanding of what our Constitution is all about and how the parliament works. There is such a plethora of additional but irrelevant material all mixed in David and Vasily’s comments that I just can’t understand where they are coming from.

I apologise if I appear presumptuous, but I recommend that they both take the opportunity of doing a bit of research into what the Referendum, the Voice and the Uluru Statement is actually all about. I suggest it may help by starting with Thomas Mayo and Kerry O’Brien’s informative handbook, “The Voice to Parliament”. It is easy to read and not very long. It is, in my professional opinion as a journalist, university lecturer and public communications manager of many years experience, a balanced and accurate explanation of the issues we have to decide and what they mean. I am a strong supporter of a Yes vote but I also believe everyone is entitled to be properly informed so they can make up their minds based on facts and authoritative evidence rather than speculation, rumour and misinformation.

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Trevor lawson says: 14 August 2023 at 10:20 am

I have read Tom Mayo’s book and am very concerned on his views. He states that Australia should have a black parliament, get rid of the existing parliament and become a republic under a Communistic approach. Not sure what you gleaned out of his words.

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Eric Hunter says: 14 August 2023 at 1:28 pm

Tom Mayo is one of those intelligent people who, when they realise they have been wrong about views previously held, have the honesty to admit it – and Mayo has done so quite publicly. How many of us had very weird ideas when we were younger and eventually came round to realise how stupid we were. It actually makes us more aware as well as more understanding of others. As Einstein said, “The measure of intelligence is the ability to change”.

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Kerrina Swords says: 16 August 2023 at 5:16 pm

Thank you for saying that Eric! Thomas has been on the Voice journey for 7 years or so. It seems that he has grown intellectually, altered his perception of things and also the way he communicates along the way. He is no longer the fired up young advocate for Aboriginal rights and is now a more mellow but just as passionate advocate for the Voice. Attending a meeting where Thomas was the guest speaker recently was a privilege and so inspiring.

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Kerrina Swords says: 16 August 2023 at 5:25 pm

Hi Trevor Lawson. I didn’t see mention that “Australia should have a black parliament, get rid of the existing parliament and become a republic under a Communistic approach.” in Thomas Mayo and Kerry O’Briens Referendum Handbook. Must have missed it. Can you cite the pages so I can see it for myself. Thank you!

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David says: 11 August 2023 at 5:11 pm

Not sure what you mean by irrelevant material. I’m assuming irrelevant is anything that is derived from indigenous people who don’t support your view. As one green’s supporter supposedly commented, it is hard to see it as anything other than a tax payer funded lobby group for one minority. Hopefully it is more than that. With an understanding of government and the Constitution I’m surprised you didn’t call out how misleading Janet’s comment was. For people who want a non racist future there is no justification for making the Constitution a racist document. If you reread the article at the top you’ll realize how useful the so called informative handbook is. What is your professional opinion on the information in the article? People are beginning to realize that giving a whole bunch of people $200K+/year taxpayer funded jobs is probably not going to make any difference to disadvantage indigenous people facing generational welfare. Especially as its been tried for decades. It is a very complex problem than billions of dollars has already been spent on. If the people supposedly trying to fix it can only produce a one page document that apparently requires Constitutional change then it doesn’t look very promising.

Apparently misinformation is a question that no one can or wants to answer. Without answers it is naturally speculation and rumour. Very clever. How dare Anthony Hordern provide authoritative evidence that doesn’t agree with the Yes campaign. Let’s just not mention it. Added to that the No campaign is making a lot of mileage out of directly quoting what Yes campaigners say. The misinformation of not even having to make stuff up. The risk for the Yes campaign with their push for our way or the highway and labelling everyone who don’t agree as racist and misinformed, is, they might just take a population who is more than willing to help disadvantage indigenous people into one who decides not to act because they just don’t trust the people involved. That would be a very unfortunate outcome.

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cbrapsycho says: 25 August 2023 at 10:08 am

@ David. You make many assumptions and assertions with no evidence to support them. I suggest you read the Constitution to see that it is already a racist document and also that it contains very little detail on how things will operate.

The Constitution determines what will happen, whilst Parliament determines how this will happen. This flexbility was built into the Constitution to ensure operations could change as the world changes.

Yes, the details of how things operate can change with each Parliament, just as they do now with all of our legislation, if and when the current government sees the need to propose change. The issues are then discussed and debated with the entire House of Representatives (all parties and independents) before that proposal goes to the Senate for further review. That is how our country operates.

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Puck says: 16 August 2023 at 8:26 pm

The whole voice idea is just an admission that all of our governments to date have failed to address the Indigenous shortfall in equality and equity. It also demonstrates that giving economic power to a selected few indigenous people and expecting them to distribure this reasonably is at the best uneducated and wishful thinking, because it does not consider the skills or ability of these individuals to execute the task correctly. And history shows that it does not work. As we all know, previous government initiatives have all been a witewash. Chuck a bit of money at something we know is going to fail, but that lets us off the hook. We can say. ” see we have tried” Instead of the voice we need to get an honest understanding of the needs and requirements to address generational issues at ground level. Talk to some of the workers on the ground. The recent move to a Family Therapy approach has a great deal more value for improving the life of disadavantaged people Indigenous or not. And. It is the same for ALL people. Money wasted on the Voice will not improve their lot.

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