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Leave the kangaroo culling to Mother Nature

“The shooters, the politicians and we electors are all, in our own ways, helping along a chain of events that will likely see the total extermination of the Eastern Grey Kangaroo.” Photo: Valeriia Miller

“Every shooter involved in an Orwellian ACT ‘conservation cull’ is doing the exact opposite of what any competent stock-breeder would do when culling his or her herd,” writes grazier IAN MacDOUGALL.

In May, 1930 a farmer named Wilfred Batty, of Mawbanna, Tasmania, heard a commotion in his chook house. Rifle in hand, he went to investigate and finished up shooting the last known wild thylacine, or “Tasmanian Tiger”. 

Ian MacDougall.

The species itself lasted only six more years, the last known one dying from exposure in Beaumaris Zoo, Hobart, on September 7, 1936. 

In wild populations, every member of every known animal species can be classified as fitted-out by Nature to be a herbivore, omnivore, carnivore, or parasite (as in the cases of the mosquito and the blood-sucking vampire bat). 

All species are also at some position in a food-chain, and their abundance according to their total biomass can mean assignment to a position in a food pyramid, with a rough 10-fold decrease in biomass at each step up the pyramid. One hundred tonnes of producers (plants) will support 10 tonnes of herbivores, which in turn will support one tonne of carnivores. 

Thus, driving through the countryside one sees plants (eg grasses, trees) everywhere, but not so many plant-eaters (eg cattle, horses, sheep, kangaroos) and only very rarely a wild carnivore (dingo, fox, domestic cat or dog gone wild). 

My wife and I, and my wife’s brother have been part of a cattle-farming enterprise. But now is the right time for us to quit. Looking back, while I have shot plenty of rabbits, the odd fox and some injured domestic animals, I have never shot a native marsupial, except for one or two injured beyond recovery through encounters with fences or a motor vehicle. 

But you can take it from me: the wildlife-protection laws in this country are a sick joke. When did you ever hear of some farmer or grazier being prosecuted for shooting kangaroos without a permit, for their competitive grazing or dining on a crop? 

However, permit or not, there is another dimension. Cut to the ACT ‘roo cull. Every carnivorous or herbivorous animal is a gene selector, whether aware of that or not, selecting genes and the organisms carrying them in or out of their target population. 

For example, wild carnivores can easily pick the weakest and slowest-fleeing animals: those that one might say are short on genes for speed, and proceed to select them out of the general stampede. 

But a shooter can, with a rifle of whatever kind, simply select out “the biggest and the best” – particularly if the carcasses can be sold on some meat and/or skin market. 

Such a feat takes absolutely no skill or superior speed or strength at all. Thus, every shooter involved in an Orwellian ACT “conservation cull” is doing the exact opposite of what any competent stock-breeder would do when culling his or her herd.

So, the shooters, the politicians directing them and we electors, who vote those latter into office, are each and all in our own ways, following in the footsteps of Wilf Batty, and are helping along a chain of events that will likely see the total extermination of the Eastern Grey Kangaroo, from long or short-term genetic decline.

Simply because no shooter can know what effect he or she is having on the gene pool of the target species, each of them might as well be shooting their bullets or contraceptive darts with their head inside a thick black bag. 

The result will most likely be a steady weakening of that ‘roo gene pool, and sooner rather than later, the total extermination of the Eastern Greys. And we Canberrans will all have been part of the process.

So, I recommend leaving it all to the population control systems natural to the kangaroos; and to Mother Nature. She has always been the best gene selector.

Finally, firing rifles in ACT reserves and parks is inherently dangerous, and, of course, illegal. It can only be a matter of time, and well short of Doomsday, before some citizen or casual tourist gets themselves culled; by bullet or dart. Then there will be political Hell to pay.

The Orwellian cull is supposed to be about protecting the earless dragon and other creepy-crawlies needing “conservation”, and as well reducing damaging motor vehicle encounters with ‘roos. 

I on the other hand would recommend that the government both encourage motorists to slow down, and seek the support of the home and business insurers, who paid out big-time for the 2002-3 bushfire event; in which “four people died, hundreds were injured and 510 properties were destroyed” (Wikipedia) and, incidentally, the creepy-crawlies all went up in smoke as well. 

The ‘roos definitely help prevent fire by eating much of the fuel in the reserves; particularly the under-storey grasses, shrubs and small trees. And I recommend that the next such memorable event coming be named The Great Barr-Vassarotti-Rattenbury Fire, in honour of those who will have done so much to cause it.

Ian MacDougall taught science and biology at all levels in the ACT school system. These days he commutes between Canberra and Gulargambone, in northwestern NSW, where he has an interest in a cattle property.

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34 Responses to Leave the kangaroo culling to Mother Nature

Palmerston's Lament says: 20 June 2024 at 6:46 am

I like to thank Ian for his well meaning, albeit somewhat confused, commentary on the ACT roo control. The annual cull is based on science and reflects the local circumstances. This has been tested and has been peer reviewed, as a teacher of science, Ian would recognise the importance of this.

ACT Reserves are not the freehold of the NSW countryside. To state thus is to draw a false equivalency. To state that the citizens of the ACT are likely to be killed during this activity is to ignore well established rules and procedures and to ignore the total lack of human fatalities over the years.

To draw a comparison between the disaster of the 2002 bushfires and infer the flawed conservation approach of the 1990s, not only continues but applies to the urban Reserves is disingenuous at best, ignorant at worst.

The sad reality remains. And that is the urban roo population has blown out massively. If you have an alpha male to breeding female ratio of 1:16 plus and 200 kangaroos in a 10 hectare enclosure, the numbers will increase beyond sustainable levels. This is Biology 101 and it comes with consequences for all species.

The flawed policies of a now retired generation has contributed to this situation. We now need to use science to control and balance an over-population.

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Cienwen Hickey says: 24 June 2024 at 12:33 pm

Just because you are a ‘science teacher’ does not automatically mean you are an expert on the subject of kangaroos.
If you had been following the events of the kangaroo slaughter, yes slaughter, it is not a cull, cull takes out the old, sick, injured. You would have observed that the parks miraculously morph into housing estates once clear of kangaroos. What happens in Canberra as it does in the rest of Australia where kangaroos are killed legally, the biggest and the best are taken out first destroying family units, especially the alpha males you seem to think will breed at such a tremendous rate.

There is no ‘overpopulation’ except in the minds of those who do not understand kangaroos.

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Janina Price says: 25 June 2024 at 6:43 pm

Being an academic doesn’t necessarily make you an expert. These Eastern Grey kangaroo only have one joey a year & not all make it thru the first 12 months. Even when these little EG joeys come into care they don’t always make it thru as they are the hardest of all kangaroos, Wallabies & Wallaroos to hand raise. These macropods are purposely being run down & yes I say run down by “P” plate drivers who think it’s their god given rite to do so as they have been branded a pest on their own country. The Australian Coat of Arms has them, load & proud. Our forefather went to war with this Coat of Arms on their hats. By christ Australians need to hang their heads in shame on how they have treated these Iconic Australian Native Species.

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Chook says: 20 June 2024 at 4:08 pm

We can’t kill our way back to biodiversity Palmerston’s Lament. You may have read the ACT Government’s “science” but clearly you haven’t understood it. Because if you did, you would know good science doesn’t recommend policies for us to follow, for the simple reason that science merely tells us what is the case, and cannot by itself answer questions about what ought to be done. The decision to cruelly kill these defenceless creatures lays with the ACT Legislative Government. This “good for nothing” government has wilfully ignored non-lethal approaches such as building a series of vegetated overpasses, combined with virtual fencing, lower speeds around nature reserves and road calming devices. Any critically endangered remnant plants and animals need to be translocated to a safe haven where they can live out their lives, or even help to breed to save the species, not kill the kangaroos!

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Palmerston's Lament says: 20 June 2024 at 5:33 pm

Chook views science as a philosophy of good versus evil. Science is neither. Science is a pure form of reporting. The ACT Government appears to listened to feedback for once and has sought peer review. The peer review has undermined your assertions.

Cruelty is also absent from the cull. The cruelty is people happy to watch animals starve to death due to overgrazing, or to watch a species become threatened or extinct due to overpopulation.

I’d suggest Chook, that you should reflect on how much the Sovereign Citizen movement has shown how easily your single issue motivation is subverted by poor understanding of basic science and government. And how fragile your group cause is when it is challenged by fact checking.

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Jan says: 20 June 2024 at 7:21 pm

Palmerston’s Lament – where is there a ten hectare nature reserve (enclosure?) in Canberra with 200 kangaroos within it? Or is this just an inaccurate comparison with the actual reality of Canberra nature reserves? (Firstly, none of the reserves are of that small a size.)

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Palmerston's Lament says: 21 June 2024 at 3:35 pm

Jan. Come to Percy Hill, divide it into 10 hectare plots and start counting. Also take note of the recessive gene strain emerging from lack of exposure to alpha males outside the enclosed area.

Also note that your group has been protesting this issue for 20 years on a “nature will sort things out” platform. If that was the case we would not need the cull, nor would roo numbers have increased each year.

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Jan says: 22 June 2024 at 10:13 pm

What nonsense! I lived near Percival Hill for ten years and walked there every day until fairly recently. As to your second point, the ACT Govt’s kangaroo “culls” first began in 2008. Some people have been protesting since then – 16 years.

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Cienwen Hickey says: 24 June 2024 at 12:39 pm

What Alpha males? All that’s left are young males who try to mate with any female. When the Alpha male is gone chaos ensues.

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Chook says: 22 June 2024 at 10:12 pm

Palmerston’s Lament – you must be living in la la land if you think killing kangaroos is cruelly free. As a reserve watcher for many years, I have seen for myself kangaroos being shot in heavy rain, fog, bitter cold and high winds (up to 48kph). While the Code under the killing if performed provides very little in the way of protection for kangaroos and wallabies, it does state that shooting must not proceed in adverse weather conditions because it raises doubts about achieving a sudden and humane death. So I suggest you get down from your ivory tower and see for yourself.

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Cienwen Hickey says: 24 June 2024 at 12:44 pm

Very true, I have been a reserve watcher also and have seen some mindshattering acts of cruelty.

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Palmerston's Lament says: 23 June 2024 at 7:47 am

Jan, if you walk on Percy during the comfortable hours, you will see nothing. At dusk and dawn, the diurnal movement, you will see hundreds. But I also note your silence regarding the several recent rabbit culls on Percy.

Chook. Your claims were tested I understand in a an inquiry and it was proven beyond reasonable doubt that only the protest movement was playing fast and loose with the facts.

Again, I challenge you, if the central tenet of your argument is that “nature will sort things out”, then why have roo numbers have increased each year?

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Robyn Soxsmith says: 23 June 2024 at 7:45 pm

Now I know you definitely don’t know what you are talking about Palmerston’s Lament. You are completely mistaken if you think kangaroo numbers are increasing each year after being brutally murdered each year. Firstly, it is biologically impossible because kangaroos are slow breeders. Secondly and even worse killing indiscriminately negatively compromises the gene pool of these precious animals. Your comments are pure falsehoods and have no bearing in reality.

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Palmerston's Lament says: 24 June 2024 at 10:58 am

Robyn. Kangaroos are boom/bust breeders. I good times they can have a fur joey, a pinkie on nipple and an embryo in some form of suspended animation ready to go. Again science is the go to, not yelling.

Also, to note, this week the mobs are starting to push the young out into new groups now due to the numbers coming through from the current pouch young becoming independent.

There is a solution to all this. But your protest movement lacks the intellectual maturity to accept it, and the ACT Govt lacks the intellect to financially support it.

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Cienwen Hickey says: 24 June 2024 at 1:07 pm

Palmerston’e Lament.
What Robyn Soxsmith said is true and there is no intellectual immaturity in what has been said. What a pompous statement.
Kangaroos are slow breeders, it takes 18 months for an Eastern Grey to bring a joey to the point of weaning. This is slower breeding than a human.
Yes there can be another Joey in the pouch once the at-foot emerges, there may also be a collection of cells in the uterus but this does not mean that all 3 of these will live.
The mortality rate of joeys is 75% and this is in the ‘good times. During drought, the joey mortality rate can be 100% and the females will abort anything in the uterus. It is the same situation with floods which coincidently bring several diseases which can wipe out hundreds of kangaroos.
If you want to debate kangaroos please take the time to read through some of the research undertaken by real scientists. http://thinkkangaroos.uts.edu.au/

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Palmerston's Lament says: 24 June 2024 at 3:11 pm

Cienwen. I note you do not seem to understand how the kangaroo breeding cycle works and the different stages of joey development. Please spend time actually reviewing the population growth and the different trigger points during the yearly cycle before posting links to single issue advocacy groups.

Again, I challenge you, if the central tenet of your argument is that “nature will sort things out”, then why have roo numbers have increased each year? By definition they must have, otherwise a cull would not be required and we would be seeking to support breeding programmes.

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cienwen98b99bbce5 says: 26 June 2024 at 10:03 am

I have been a wildlife rescuer and carer for 24 years, specializing in kangaroos. I have undertaken and completed many courses to learn more about this unique animal so please note I have read what the so-called scientists have written about their mathematical calculations regarding kangaroo breeding cycles.
I gave you one of many what you call, ‘advocacy’ groups, what you failed to notice is THINKK is based at UTS. These are scientists who are not employed by the government to say what the government want’s people to hear.

At no time have I said “nature will sort things out” it would if humans were not here to interfere with it.
Your argument “why have roo numbers have increased each year? By definition they must have, otherwise a cull would not be required and we would be seeking to support breeding programmes” carries no weight, it’s supposition. As I advised, learn from those who know what they are talking about as THINNK do.
The plight of our kangaroo stretches far beyond Canberra.

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Paola Torti says: 25 June 2024 at 6:38 am

I’m watching horrified the annual kangaroo slaughter in Canberra reserves from overseas, from Italy. Kangaroos are the Australian Icons in the world and don’t deserve this cruelty. Leave mum, fathers and joyes in peace in their own land! Reserves should be safe zone!
Kangaroos have been perfectly suited to living on Australian land for millions of years. It is we who have stolen their land since colonization and continue to do so as violent owners. Please stop this massacre now, you are an international embarrassment and yesx let Mother Nature take her course!

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Palmerston's Hopefully Final Lament says: 25 June 2024 at 11:08 am

Paola et al, I have done the maths. These figures are derived from scientific papers, including from anti-cull sites, so I have approached the modelling from an agnostic perspective.

Females Eastern Greys can live to 18 yrs in the wild. They are reproductive from 2 yrs of age and they can carry 3 young at different stages of development (quiescent blastocyst, pink, furred) with two in the pouch at any one time.

Using a progressive model over a 9 yr cycle, one female will be responsible for up to 62 genetically linked progeny. The sex difference runs at 1 male to 2 female. There are no natural predators.

In a population of 150 in Year 1 (much than we see in the Reserves but easy to split into 50 male and 100 female), the 9 yr cycle would result in an average of 6200 head.

Again, there is no natural predators. Males are forced out of the mob at age 2 to 4. They have to find space or cross roads. Adaptive evolution would model a refusal to do the road crossing noting the high mortality. Alpha males are forced out at the end of their useful breeding age due to sexual competition.

So there is the problem the Government has to deal with.

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cienwen98b99bbce5 says: 26 June 2024 at 10:12 am

Well Mr. Lamenting Palmerston, lament about the kangaroos you are so very scientifically condemning to death.
Although this may seem a paradox, all exact science is based on the idea of approximation. If a man tells you he knows a thing exactly, then you can be safe in inferring that you are speaking to an inexact man.
Bertrand Russell

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Gwenda Griffiths says: 25 June 2024 at 10:07 pm

Palmerston’s lament seems to place his intellect and understanding of the situation above all others. This is an eradication programme – only look to Red Hill- year 3 of the killing and those who walk it know our Roos have been decimated.
Stop telling us you understand and we don’t.

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Ljiljana BESKER says: 26 June 2024 at 5:17 am

Let the innocent kangaroos live. Live simply. Stop these atrocious daily massacres. Australia is, above all, their country. This is beyond unfair. No assistance to animals in danger against these cold killers without any humanity, heart or conscience. Do they look them straight in the eye when they snatch them from life? Animals are living beings who have the right to live exactly like us on this earth. I beg you to stop these assassinations against your precious icons. I beg you from France.💔 🙏We don’t have two hearts, one for animals, one for humans. You have a heart, or you don’t. Alphonse de Lamartine

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PFL!! says: 26 June 2024 at 12:57 pm

Red Hill Reserve is 293 ha, with population feed from the adjunct golf course and is food supply supported by the irrigated land around the Mint.

The first cull occurred in 2022. Last year 520 were removed (approx 50/50 sex split). The year before 500 were taken.

There has been no measurable improvement in native grasses despite three good growing seasons, which indicates the kangaroo population remains higher than the grassland can support.

This is science fact.

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Ian MacDougall says: 27 June 2024 at 5:13 pm

“Palmerston’s Lament says: 20 June 2024 at 6:46 am
I like to thank Ian for his well meaning, albeit somewhat confused, commentary on the ACT roo control. The annual cull is based on science and reflects the local circumstances. This has been tested and has been peer reviewed, as a teacher of science, Ian would recognise the importance of this.”
None of the above critics of my City News article has addressed my main concern. Shooters with rifles, particularly modern ones with laser sights, have no way of telling what the short-to-long-term genetic effects of the present two-per-year ‘conservation culls’ of the ACT macropod population will be. Natural predators (eg the extinct thylacine, dingoes, foxes) select out members of their prey species on what are ultimately genetic criteria, so that the predator and prey populations naturally rise and fall in tandem.
As for PL’s “This has been tested and has been peer reviewed, as a teacher of science, Ian would recognise the importance of this.” Peer-reviewing helps those who do research and write it up in papers avoid production of academic clangers, which will reflect badly on the academies in which they work, but such reviewing is no substitute for the empiricism and relentless critique which are the absolute bedrock of modern scientific method. If ‘peer reviewing’ provided the Holy Grail of the last word, all scientific debate and discussion would end. But no matter what embarrassment it may bring to some, it just goes on and on.
In science, appeals to Authority, whether dressed up as ‘peer reviewed’ or otherwise, are worthless. Galileo showed that; as did Darwin, and all who follow in their footsteps.

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PFL says: 27 June 2024 at 8:18 pm

It is fair to say that Ian’s ability to not understand the key factors affecting the rise and rise of the roo population undermines his total thesis. His rejection of science fact over his person biases has only been reinforced by his comment.

His reality revolves around a Canberra of now. One of parks, grass and endless water sources, not to mention forestation. None of which was here in 1911 and earlier. All of which produces a verdant, yet ultimately destructive, cage for his chosen ones with Red Hill a very obvious case study.

Noting that Ian’s “laser sight” is a figment of science fiction, thermal and NV optical quality will allow very distinct target acquisition. But the article presents natural selection as a simple equation, a transaction between speed and cunning. Sadly, the bad news for Ian and his ilk, is natural selection is far more complicated than that.

With a breeding cycle selected for continuous birthing, the modelling is unambiguous. There are too many roos in too little space and nature will not sort this out.

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Ian MacDougall says: 28 June 2024 at 8:58 am

‘PFL’ or whaever your real name is: You say: “With a breeding cycle selected for continuous birthing, the modelling is unambiguous. There are too many roos in too little space and nature will not sort this out.”
Firstly, there is nothing beyond the power of Nature to ‘sort out,’ one way or another. And kangaroos do not practice ‘continuous birthing.’ When times are tough and feed is scarce, they have inbuilt into their reproductive systems an ability to put production of the next generation on hold. That has helped them survive as a genus for at least the last 15 million years on this continent, and through all its ‘droughts and flooding rains.’
Nor am I guided by “modelling.” I go by the scientific reality as understood from years of published biological, including ecological, study. However it has not escaped me that you have also chucked into your Too Hard basket the issue I raised about the difference in inevitable genetic effects, short to long term, between carnivorous predation (even including that of Aborigines with spears) versus modern firearms technology. You do assert in passing that “laser sight” (note scare quotes) is “a figment of science fiction, thermal and NV optical quality will allow very distinct target acquisition. But the article presents natural selection as a simple equation, a transaction between speed and cunning. Sadly, the bad news for Ian and his ilk, is natural selection is far more complicated than that.”
What on Earth have you been drinking, PFL? Where have I, or any of my ‘ilk’ ever said that natural selection is a “transaction between speed and cunning?” You set up a straw man, then proceed to knock it down; most impressive.! And when you have a moment, I suggest you google up ‘laser gun sights.’ You might learn something.

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PLF says: 28 June 2024 at 10:58 am

A laser gun sight is a laser attached to a rifle that is used to designate a target using a green or red laser mark. It is a passive marker.

A thermal gun sight uses a thermal camera uses the heat of the target to produce an image using a camera that has an aiming reticle. High definition models work in all conditions and allow for precise target identification.

A night vision gun sight enhances ambient visible light and is combined with an aiming reticle. High definition models work in all conditions and allow for precise target identification.

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Ian MacDougall says: 28 June 2024 at 1:10 pm

PLF: Most interesting information about gunsights. Now what about the issues you have somehow managed to overlook? Namely: 1. The unforeseeable and unpredictable medium to long-term genetic effects of the Orwellian ‘conservation culls’ on the wild ‘roo population?
2. BUT MOST IMPORTANT: 2. The key role played by the ACT’s kangaroos in the removal of inflammable undergrowth from the nature reserves and national parks they inhabit, and thus THE PREVENTION OF WILDFIRE.? Going by the underbrush now as thick as you like on places like Farrer Ridge, we are dead set for a replay of the great Canberra Fire of 18–22 January 2003 in which, you may recall, four people died, over 490 were injured, and 470 homes were destroyed or severely damaged. (Wikipedia.) When it eventually happens, it will likely have George Orwell rolling round and round in his grave over the misuse of the word ‘conservation.’ He was a great authority on the uses and abuses of language.
Please address both those questions, and to blazes (!) with gunsights.

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PLF says: 28 June 2024 at 2:28 pm

So fact check fail and capital letters are the hallmarks of a strawman argument, and Mr Orwell wrote an essay you should read about this very thing.

As a result of two things, the ACT Government finally ignored the Green view that all burn offs are bad following the disastrous bushfires. A lot of bushfire modelling, resulting from this and the horrific Victorian fires by CSIRO’s specialist bushfire research facility has resulted in a much better understand of burning embers.

The ACT has regular burn offs to deal with that. In addition the Farrer Ridge Park group has been a key part of weed reduction. The assessment is that the combination of reducing the kangaroo population and the work done by the Government and the volunteers has reduced the woody weeds.

Returning to catastrophic bushfires. As a retired science teacher, I am sure you would understand the role the eucalyptus tree has in releasing top canopy oils that cause fire acceleration during high heat days. Noting we do not have an aboral kangaroo population in Canberra, this is a separate issue to kangaroo over-population.

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Chook says: 28 June 2024 at 7:44 pm

As a science teacher, PLF would be very well aware that good science doesn’t recommend policies for us to follow, for the simple reason that science merely tells us what is the case, and cannot by itself answer questions about what ought to be done.

What is debatable and worthy of critical scrutiny is the decision to kill them, without considering other options.

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Ian MacDougall says: 28 June 2024 at 10:34 pm

“The ACT has regular burn offs to deal with that. In addition the Farrer Ridge Park group has been a key part of weed reduction. The assessment is that the combination of reducing the kangaroo population and the work done by the Government and the volunteers has reduced the woody weeds.”
So let me get this right. Reducing the population of the animals that eat the woody weeds, undergrowth and whatever also reduces the risk of fire.? I’ll say that again, to make sure you’ve got it right: REDUCING the population of EATERS of inflammable woody weeds, REDUCES the risk of fire.??? What universe do you hail from?
And while we are on that point, which is the lobby group that has persuaded the ACT Government’s Labor-Green faction pollies to try to sell the regular slaughtering of ‘roos to the voters as a ‘conservation’ cull? Who benefits from the slaughter.? My guess is 1. the professional shooters (of whom I guess you PLF or whatever your real name is, are one) 2. the pet-meat dealers who now get the carcasses previously left to rot, and 3. the motor vehicle insurance industry, who have to pay out less for roo-damage to vehicles whose drivers are averse to defensive driving.
The work of the ANU researcher Gurdip Singh analysing the pollens in the bed of Lake George, NSW, indicates that until around 110,000 years ago, eucalypts (pyrophytes, or ‘fire-plants) were rare in SE Australia, and presumably elsewhere on the continent as well. The previously-dominant plants were of the Genus Casuarina, which are all pyrophobes, or ‘fire-haters.’ Singh put the transition down to the arrival of the Aborigines, with their ‘fire-stick farming.’ Eucalypts, as you will be aware, shed leaves full of flammable oils (even when dead) which form a mat on the forest floor as good as any fire-starter.
So cool-burning off this fire-starter material makes some sense, but it costs us taxpayers money, along with the moola paid over to the shooters for their gene-ignorant activity. Kangaroos used to provide that service for free. So why the political drive to get rid of them?
Oh, and don’t try to sell me that garbage that it is to save the grass that shelters the little creepy-crawlies. That goes up in flames in your lauded ‘burn-offs’ and takes all the said creepy-crawlies with it. And all in the name of conservation.!
Orwell I am sure would find that a few miles short of credibility.

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PLF says: 29 June 2024 at 1:54 pm

I fail to understand what your objection to a holistic approach to land management is. Your total lack of understanding of fire control and what kangaroos eat and how the ecology of the local region works is astounding. But more concerning is the almost Sovereign Citizen rejection of anything that does not fall within a very narrow belief system.

Carry on yelling at clouds.

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Jan says: 28 June 2024 at 11:01 pm

Hey PFL/Palmerston’s Lament, You seem to have a ridiculous obsession with kangaroos! If you are so bothered by how many there are in Canberra, have you ever thought of going to live in another city where there are NONE???? You wouldn’t even have to leave Australia as they’ve been shot out and their habitat destroyed decades ago in most of our cities. You’d be lucky to find a few survivors on the outskirts. But if you’re REALLY bothered by kangaroos, there’s a whole world out there that would welcome you and your theories. Honest!

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